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|1. Chris Smith
 
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|Can travel out from Bristol or the South East (e.g. London, Tonbridge Wells) depending on what is most convenient for others.
 
|Can travel out from Bristol or the South East (e.g. London, Tonbridge Wells) depending on what is most convenient for others.
 
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|2. Becka Lawson
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|5. Frank Tully
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|Liverpool
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|y but very elderly
 
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|Need to be near Stuttgart 22-25 Aug and probably elsewhere the week before that. Hopefully won't need to bring our car again because it's pretty sickly now so not sure it would make it.
 
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|3. Neil Pacey
 
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|4. Julian Todd
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|21. Catherine Hulse (UBSS)
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|y with Becka, but very elderly
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|July 16th*
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|Aug 13th*
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|flexible on dates, will go whenever fits in best for transport.
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|29. Robert Adams (UBSS)
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|Bristol
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|5. Frank Tully
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|24. Amy Matthews (UBSS)
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|Travel out from Bristol?
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|6. Andy Chapman
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|25. Ryan Warwick (UBSS)
 
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|7. Wookey
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|9. Nial Peters
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|Probably to/from Cambridge, but could be persuaded to go back to somewhere more interesting
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|Debconf in banja Luka 24-30July (+maybe week before). Could come to expo after that (or maybe before). And now Linaro Sprint in Cambridge 1st-5th August. Useless timing.  
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|In terms of '''caving''', I would like to do '''camping''' trips to "Dead good bat chamber" in 204. I would also be interested in MFC in 204 for some higher level trips.  
 
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|8. Andrew Atkinson
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|16. Djuke Veldhuis
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|N. Italy
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|Cambridge
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|Travelling by van, 5 seats.
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|y
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|y
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|~15-16July
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|5-6 Aug
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|If people are keen for a trip to Amsterdam with free stay in the North of the Netherlands for a few days afterwards that could be on the cards...
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|17. Emma Wilson
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|Cambridge*
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|y
 
|y
 
|y
 
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|Canyoning in N.Italy before and after.  
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|Could travel to-from cambridge, have car and could drive or pref share driving. Car starting to get a bit poorly and doesn't always start so well. Think that going for the end of Expo will work better at the moment.
 
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|9. Nial Peters
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|26. Adrian Horrell
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|Probably to/from Cambridge, but could be persuaded to go back to somewhere more interesting
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|Cambridge
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|y
 
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|In terms of '''caving''', I would like to do '''camping''' trips to "Dead good bat chamber" in 204. I would also be interested in MFC in 204 for some higher level trips.  
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|Have car, and could be persuaded to drive.
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|27. Alex Crow
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|Cambridge*
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|y (4 seats but only realistic to use 3)
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|y
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|16th July
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|14th August
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|Im driving and have a car (but will want someone to share). Alternatively I can help drive someone elses. I dont mind where I pick people up from but have a preference for Cambridge. It is likely that '''industrial metal''' will be played '''loudly''' for large portions of the journey (you have been warned!). I can move the dates a few days if absolutely necessary but would rather not.
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|30. Jess Stirrups
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|Cambridge*
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|y
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|16th or 23rd Jul
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|14th August
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|Date of departure depends...
 
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|10. Oliver Madge
 
|10. Oliver Madge
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|12. Aiora Zabala
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|22. Richard Mundy
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|west London or around
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|no
 
|y*
 
|y*
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|Would be leaving and returning to west London and I have no vehicle - so Cambridge or Dover or Folkestone or Heathrow or anywhere in the south would be okay for me to meet up with valiant chauffeur(s). I can drive, but fellow travellers may perish.
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|2. Becka Lawson
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|Liverpool
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|y but very elderly
 
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|by train or plane most probably, unless I can pick up someone on the way to share car costs. 'from/to' depends on the cheapest option as flights & train from b/b are bloody exp. Might cycle from Germany
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|Need to be near Stuttgart 22-25 Aug and probably elsewhere the week before that. Hopefully won't need to bring our car again because it's pretty sickly now so not sure it would make it.
 
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|13. Olaf Kahler
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|4. Julian Todd
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|Germany
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|Liverpool
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|y with Becka, but very elderly
 
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|I'll probably fly to Germany, visit friends and family, and then '''cycle''' over to Austria. Alternatively, I'll do that on the way back, depending on whether there is an opportunity for a lift. I hope someone will take my caving gear along, though!
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|14. Edvin Deadman
 
|14. Edvin Deadman
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|15. Kathryn Hopkins
 
|15. Kathryn Hopkins
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|16th July
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|3 weeks later
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|Same as Edvin
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|7. Wookey
 
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|Same as Edvin
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|Debconf in banja Luka 24-30July (+maybe week before). Could come to expo after that (or maybe before). And now Linaro Sprint in Cambridge 1st-5th August. Useless timing.
 
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|16. Djuke Veldhuis
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|8. Andrew Atkinson
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|Cambridge
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|N. Italy
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|Travelling by van, 5 seats.
 
|y
 
|y
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|Canyoning in N.Italy before and after.
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|12. Aiora Zabala
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|biarritz/ bilbao (SW france)*
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|y*
 
|y
 
|y
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|~15-16July
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|16 Jul*
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|5-6 Aug
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|8-9 Aug*
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|If people are keen for a trip to Amsterdam with free stay in the North of the Netherlands for a few days afterwards that could be on the cards...
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|by train or plane most probably, unless I can pick up someone on the way to share car costs. 'from/to' depends on the cheapest option as flights & train from b/b are bloody exp. Might cycle from Germany
 
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|17. Emma Wilson
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|13. Olaf Kahler
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|Cambridge*
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|Germany
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|y
 
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|Could travel to-from cambridge, have car and could drive or pref share driving. Car starting to get a bit poorly and doesn't always start so well. Think that going for the end of Expo will work better at the moment. 
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|I'll probably fly to Germany, visit friends and family, and then '''cycle''' over to Austria. Alternatively, I'll do that on the way back, depending on whether there is an opportunity for a lift. I hope someone will take my caving gear along, though!
 
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|18. Holly Bradley
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|20. Dickon Morris (UBSS)
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|Will probably be coming directly from the Picos expo so have vague plans to fly to Innsbruck and get train from there. Will of course pay petrol for cost of transporting ropes and stuff
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|19. Noel Snape
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|3. Neil Pacey
 
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|20. Dickon Morris (UBSS)
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|6. Andy Chapman
 
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|21. Catherine Hulse (UBSS)
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|18. Holly Bradley
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|Would be leaving and returning to west London and I have no vehicle - so Cambridge or Dover or Folkestone or Heathrow or anywhere in the south would be okay for me to meet up with valiant chauffeur(s). I can drive, but fellow travellers may perish.
 
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|23. Gareth Phillips
 
 
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|24. Amy Matthews (UBSS)
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|19. Noel Snape
 
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|25. Ryan Warwick (UBSS)
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|26. Adrian Horrell
 
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|27. Alex Crow
 
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|Im driving and have a car (but will want someone to share). Alternatively I can help drive someone elses. I dont mind where I pick people up from but have a preference for Cambridge. It is likely that '''industrial metal''' will be played '''loudly''' for large portions of the journey (you have been warned!). I can move the dates a few days if absolutely necessary but would rather not.
 
 
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|28. Aaron Curtis
 
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|30. Jess Stirrups
 
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Revision as of 12:33, 13 April 2011

Here's a provisional table of who is going on Expo 2011 and when. You think you're coming on expo? Add yourself, or email Martin if you know when you're coming! Red means you're there that week, orange means 'undecided', purple means 'flexible' (please indicate the number of weeks you'd like to come), grey means you're not. Weeks run Saturday to Saturday. We're not limited to 28 people. Just add a new line to the table if it is full.

Name (making_this_col_wider) Length of expoage
Pre-Expo

(9 July - 15 July)

Week 1

(16 July - 22 July)

Week 2

(23 July - 29 July)

Week 3

(30 July - 5 Aug)

Week 4

(6 Aug - 12 Aug)

Week 5

(13 Aug - 19 Aug)

Week 6

(20 Aug - 27 Aug)

1. Chris Smith 3-4 weeks
2. Becka Lawson 3-4 weeks
3. Neil Pacey 3-4 weeks
4. Julian Todd 3 weeks
5. Frank Tully
6. Andy Chapman
7. Wookey 1.5 weeks
8. Andrew Atkinson
9. Nial Peters 3-5 weeks
10. Oliver Madge
11. Mark Shinwell
12. Aiora Zabala 2-3 weeks
13. Olaf Kahler 2-3 weeks
14. Edvin Deadman 3 weeks
15. Kathryn Hopkins 3 weeks
16. Djuke Veldhuis 2-3 weeks
17. Emma Wilson 3ish weeks
18. Holly Bradley
19. Noel Snape
20. Dickon Morris (UBSS)
21. Catherine Hulse (UBSS) 2-3 weeks
22. Richard Mundy 2-3 weeks
23. Gareth Phillips 2 weeks
24. Amy Matthews (UBSS) 2 weeks
25. Ryan Warwick (UBSS) 2 weeks
26. Adrian Horrell 1-2 weeks
27. Alex Crow 4 weeks
28. Aaron Curtis
29. Robert Adams 2-3 weeks
30. Jess Stirrups


Who With Whom

An attempt to organise who is traveling with whom, flying, cycling etc. Might be quicker than using emails. Dates can be approximate. * means flexible 

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Name____________ Travelling from/to Have a car?__ Can drive?>___ Approx Date of departure Approx Date of_return_ Comment_______________________
from Bristol
1. Chris Smith Bristol or South East. n n (start date) (end date) Can travel out from Bristol or the South East (e.g. London, Tonbridge Wells) depending on what is most convenient for others.
5. Frank Tully Travel out from Bristol? (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
21. Catherine Hulse (UBSS) Bristol n y July 16th* Aug 13th* flexible on dates, will go whenever fits in best for transport.
29. Robert Adams (UBSS) Bristol y y (start date) (end date) (comments)
24. Amy Matthews (UBSS) (from/to) (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
25. Ryan Warwick (UBSS) (from/to) (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
from Cambridge
9. Nial Peters Probably to/from Cambridge, but could be persuaded to go back to somewhere more interesting (car?) y (start date) (end date) In terms of caving, I would like to do camping trips to "Dead good bat chamber" in 204. I would also be interested in MFC in 204 for some higher level trips.
16. Djuke Veldhuis Cambridge y y ~15-16July 5-6 Aug If people are keen for a trip to Amsterdam with free stay in the North of the Netherlands for a few days afterwards that could be on the cards...
17. Emma Wilson Cambridge* y y (start date) (end date) Could travel to-from cambridge, have car and could drive or pref share driving. Car starting to get a bit poorly and doesn't always start so well. Think that going for the end of Expo will work better at the moment.
26. Adrian Horrell Cambridge y y (start date) (end date) Have car, and could be persuaded to drive.
27. Alex Crow Cambridge* y (4 seats but only realistic to use 3) y 16th July 14th August Im driving and have a car (but will want someone to share). Alternatively I can help drive someone elses. I dont mind where I pick people up from but have a preference for Cambridge. It is likely that industrial metal will be played loudly for large portions of the journey (you have been warned!). I can move the dates a few days if absolutely necessary but would rather not.
30. Jess Stirrups Cambridge* n* y 16th or 23rd Jul 14th August Date of departure depends...
10. Oliver Madge (from/to) (car?) y (start date) (end date) (comments)
11. Mark Shinwell (from/to) (car?) y (start date) (end date) (comments)
from elsewhere in UK
22. Richard Mundy west London or around no y* (start date) (end date) Would be leaving and returning to west London and I have no vehicle - so Cambridge or Dover or Folkestone or Heathrow or anywhere in the south would be okay for me to meet up with valiant chauffeur(s). I can drive, but fellow travellers may perish.
2. Becka Lawson Liverpool y but very elderly y (start date) (end date) Need to be near Stuttgart 22-25 Aug and probably elsewhere the week before that. Hopefully won't need to bring our car again because it's pretty sickly now so not sure it would make it.
4. Julian Todd Liverpool y with Becka, but very elderly y (start date) (end date) (comments)
14. Edvin Deadman Manchester area Preferably not - I don't think it would make it up the toll road Happy to share driving 16th July 3 weeks later Happy to share driving or fly out on our own steam
15. Kathryn Hopkins Manchester area " y 16th July 3 weeks later Same as Edvin
from elsewhere
7. Wookey (from/to) Travelling by van y (start date) (end date) Debconf in banja Luka 24-30July (+maybe week before). Could come to expo after that (or maybe before). And now Linaro Sprint in Cambridge 1st-5th August. Useless timing.
8. Andrew Atkinson N. Italy Travelling by van, 5 seats. y (start date) (end date) Canyoning in N.Italy before and after.
12. Aiora Zabala biarritz/ bilbao (SW france)* y* y 16 Jul* 8-9 Aug* by train or plane most probably, unless I can pick up someone on the way to share car costs. 'from/to' depends on the cheapest option as flights & train from b/b are bloody exp. Might cycle from Germany
13. Olaf Kahler Germany (car?) y (start date) (end date) I'll probably fly to Germany, visit friends and family, and then cycle over to Austria. Alternatively, I'll do that on the way back, depending on whether there is an opportunity for a lift. I hope someone will take my caving gear along, though!
20. Dickon Morris (UBSS) N. Spain/to? (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) Will probably be coming directly from the Picos expo so have vague plans to fly to Innsbruck and get train from there. Will of course pay petrol for cost of transporting ropes and stuff
UNKNOWN
3. Neil Pacey (from/to) (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
6. Andy Chapman (from/to) (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
18. Holly Bradley (from/to) (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
19. Noel Snape (from/to) (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
23. Gareth Phillips (from/to) (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
28. Aaron Curtis (from/to) (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
other (from/to) (car?) (drives?) (start date) (end date) (comments)
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